From Charlie B: Proof that Obamacare is Working

Recent data provided by the nation’s largest health insurance companies reveals that a provision of the Affordable Care Act – or Obamacare – is bringing big numbers of the uninsured into the health care insurance system.

And they are precisely the uninsured that we want– the young people who tend not to get sick.

The provision of the law that permits young adults under 26, long the largest uninsured demographic in the country, to remain on their parents’ health insurance program resulted in at least 600,000 newly insured Americans during the first quarter of 2011.

Wellpoint, the nation’s largest publicly traded health insurer with some 34 million customers, reports adding 280,000 new members in the first three months of 2011.

Add in the results of some of the other large health insurers including Aetna, who added just short of 100,000 newly insured to their customer base, Kaiser Permanente’s additional 90,000, and Highmark’s 72,000 new customers, and we begin to sense our health insurance pools are filling up with some badly needed young blood.

The Health & Human Services Department had estimated that the changes in the law would result in about 1.2 million new enrollees in 2011. However, according to Aaron Smith, the executive director of a Washington based non-profit that advocates for the young, it now looks as if that number will be exceeded.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2011/05/23/more-solid-proof-that-obamacare-is-working/

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22 Responses to From Charlie B: Proof that Obamacare is Working

  1. Avatar of Vertigo Vertigo says:

    This is no solution. Sure it makes sure that more young people are insured, people who seldom use the insurance, but bottom line is this increases the revenue stream of the insurance companies, not increases the benefits of those who really need it.

    As long as we have a parasitic for profit middle man we will never see preventative medicine, or lowering of medical/ pharmaceutical bills for the average citizen.

    I have a friend who is dying of cancer right now as we speak. He is going untreated because the present system won’t treat him because he is uninsured. He has to wait until he collapses in the street, is brought into the Emergency Room and hooked up to life support. He may live for months after that, at an incredible expense to his family.

    If he had been treated in early stages, his cancer was curable and far less expensive to treat. This isn’t going to happen in the present system, even if he did have insurance.

    • Bryan K says:

      Disagree, Vertigo. Sounds to me like your friend would have been diagnosed early and successfully treated if he had had insurance.

      • Avatar of Vertigo Vertigo says:

        Can you say “Pre Existing Condition”?!?

        Tony, under 26, was diagnosed with his cancer before this legislation was passed, if his parents COULD have gotten him on theirs.

        There is an underlying point here, Bryan. As long as we have a profit driven payer, they will find any way they possibly can to not pay for services. Preventative care Bah!!!

        Type II diabetes can be prevented and the cause is easily diagnosed up to 20 years before pancreatic burnout. Its root cause is Metabolic Syndrome X, or Insulin Resistance. This syndrome also causes hardening of the arteries, high blood pressure, obesity along with a list of about 15 other maladies.

        http://www.medicinenet.com/metabolic_syndrome/article.htm

        There are many medicines on the market that stop this syndrome, but do you think a for profit insurance company is going to actually proactively spend extra money to put people on these medicines BEFORE they get sick?

        No, as long as we have a for profit insurance industry, we will have a reactive system that only pays for illnesses after they become catastrophic… such as full blown diabetes instead of insulin resistance.

        • Henry says:

          Why would parents have a 26 year-old son under their insurance? Why would they want to treat him like a child?

          • No Brainer says:

            Talk about about irrelevant. This issue has nothing to do with “How Parents want to Treat their Kids”. Its about fixing a broken health care system.

            At this time, the largest demographic of uninsured people are the young adults. They also have the highest premiums, and the lowest maintenance costs. When a 25 year old needs hospitalization, its usually from an accident, not a chronic age driven malady. If they go untreated with a broken leg or any other young persons health care issue, they quickly become non functional dependents of the welfare system; often for life.

            We need to fix the system so the overall bill is minimized so society doesn’t need to pay as much.

          • Henry says:

            Unless individual responsibility is embraced, society will pay dearly.

            We can’t hardly compete now with China steel being produced by $12/day labor and no environmental controls. Yet, some are convinced they can squeeze that there blood out of that American turnip.

          • Avatar of Vertigo Vertigo says:

            Boy, Henry, that was literally a Senior Thesis for the Limbaugh School of Empty Rhetoric!

            Tell me, what does the price of steel have to do with healthcare reform… except to perhaps point out that we have increasingly larger numbers of unemployed and uninsured people…

            Even closer to the point, what does “individual responsibility” mean? WHO is responsable for WHAT is the real question.

            The individuals have the responsability to take care of themselves, and not exploit freebies, but what does that have to do with reform.

            The Hospitals have the responsability to provide adequate medical care at a reasonable AFFORDABLE price.

            The insurance companies have the responsability to pay for the bills as they accrue.

            The government has the responsability to assure the citizens of the country are taken care of without being exploited.

            How about we talk about where the responsabilites are being neglected. The insurance companies are into it for the bottom line, and only pay what they MUST to make the maximum profit they can. They will turn down claims on any technicality they can. They even write into their policies an abdication of care for smokers and people who don’t exercise. Legislation is often submitted to control the fats people consume which will lead to denials of claims based upon their dietary habits.

            The health care industry, because their bread is buttered by the insurance industry, provides the care they know will be paid for, which isn’t until the patients health reaches the point where their problems become catastrophic. The Health care industry employs a proponderance of specialists who treat the problems after they have become unmanagable, and purchase extremely expensive equipment to treat these already catastrophic maladies.

            They are, by law, required to absorb the costs of those who are unable to pay, and thus pass this cost up to the insurance companies by jacking up the prices. When these prices are charged to the uninsured private patient, it bankrupts not only them… but all of their family.

            Lets talk about the governments responsability here… this is something the Conservatives always fall off of.. frankly they have never been good at anything resembling responsability in any arena.. but I digress.

            It should be the governments responsability to ensure that preventative care is given to everybody. They do this in small ways by assuring vaccinations are given to all kids and comperable services, but they fall short on whats important such as funding programs such as physical education in schools and healthful food programs.

            Most important, the government needs to oversee the other facets of the equation so they are not exploiting the people and giving substandard care…. but instead, ObamaCare only forces business’s to pay for more people to be covered by this for profit insurance parasite. There is NOTHING in Obama Care that assures better care, or cheaper prices.

            There is no responsability in ANY of this, but tell me, what do you mean by INDIVIDUAL responsability?

          • Henry says:

            Individual responsibility is just that. The system cannot support everyone. I know people who do not have health insurance. These same people have the newest flat screen tv’s, the newest laptop, the newest 4G whatever. You get the picture. They choose technology over providing for their family’s healthcare.

            Meanwhile, the economy is crumbling before our very eyes. Its about choices. Do we really want to expand medical assistance beyond the people that really need it? (elderly, severe medical cases, etc.) Do we want to blindly say the taxpayer will cover everything for a program that appears to be unsustainable in the current business climate? (People claim it will save the taxpayer money. Bullshit.) American businesses can’t compete now. The steel industry example I provided is just one example.

        • Bryan K says:

          Sounds to me like you need to change insurance companies. My company, Aetna, puts a premium on preventative care. One of my best friends is alive today becuase our insurance company required her to go for an annual checkup where they discovered that she had breast cancer at a very early age.

          • Avatar of Vertigo Vertigo says:

            Um, if the cancer has been diagnosed, Bryan, its not preventative. Cancer is a catastrophic illness and perhaps early detection saved the insurance company some money, it didn’t prevent her from having the cancer, nor does it ensure she will not get it again, which has a 90% chance of happening.

            Here is an example of Preventative health care legislation on the hill, and lo and behold, the Conservatives are fighting against it tooth and nail. HPV is the cause of cervical cancer, and it is now almost 100% curable with vaccines.

            “Millions of Americans women and men become infected with HPV each year, though most show no symptoms and clear the virus on their own. But some strains persist and can cause genital warts and cancer. About 12,000 women are diagnosed with cervical cancer each year, and about 4,000 die from it, according to CDC statistics.”

            http://www.npr.org/2011/08/25/139957929/rate-of-teen-vaccination-for-hpv-lagging

            yes, 12,000 people are treated for cervical cancer each year. The cost of vaccinating all young women is a fraction of the cost of chemotherapy and other associated health care costs. ….

            BUT, our presidential CONSERVATIVE contender says…..

            “”To have innocent little 12-year-old girls be forced to have a government injection through an executive order is just flat-out wrong,”

            http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2011/09/13/140445104/pediatricians-fact-check-bachmanns-bashing-of-hpv-vaccine

            THIS Bryan, is preventative care, and should be the capstone of any meaningful reform.

          • Source Checker says:

            Vert – do you have any secondary sources to back the two left-wing hack sites that you quoted?

          • Avatar of Vertigo Vertigo says:

            I note you are not contesting any of the subject matter presented, troll, let alone giving any form of rebuttal.

            NPR is neither right wing, nor left wing. To the contrary, its considered the “Gold Standard” in journalism because it IS public radio and thus neutral.

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NPR

            Show me any inaccurate information (your contradictory source) in either of those articles, and I will give you further sources to validate them. Until then, you are just being a troll.

          • Source Checker says:

            “I note you are not contesting any of the subject matter presented, troll, let alone giving any form of rebuttal.”

            Your routine tactic is to attack the source rather than address the material contained in the article. Contrary to a publicly edited wikipedia page, NPR’s bias is well established and widely known.

          • NPR is a left-wing hack site? NPR is one of the only sources of non-biased journalism left in this country. Just because they don’t subscribe to your agenda, does not make them left or right wing.

          • Henry says:

            That is correct. No bias at all. Definitely a top-down stategy at NPR of “no bias”.

            http://www.bizjournals.com/denver/morning_call/2011/03/mc-npr.html

          • Fixed it For You says:

            NPR is one of the only sources claimed by the left to be non-biased journalism left in this country, just because they subscribe to their agenda.

          • Bryan K says:

            Vertigo: It was the preventive care appointment mandated by the insurance company that diagnosed the cancer.

            And for the record, I am on board with your stance on the HPV vaccine. It is absolutely assinine for anyone to actually take a stand against it. We could save over 10,000 lives per year with an inexpensive and relatively unevasive technique, but the conservatives won’t have it becuase it involves using the word “sex” and “12 year old girl” in the same sentence. Absolute idiocy.

          • Doc says:

            There is a difference between offering the vaccine and mandating it.

          • Bryan K says:

            All vaccinations that control and/or eliminate contageous and potentially deadly diseases need to be mandated.

          • Big Pharma says:

            Go get ‘em Bryan. You win the hearts and minds and we’ll buy the politicians.

          • Flip Flopping in the Wind says:

            BACHMANN: “I didn’t make that claim nor did I make that statement,” she said when asked by a moderator if she stood by her comment that the HPV vaccine against cervical cancer was “potentially dangerous.”

            THE FACTS: Bachmann can’t escape the tape. Bachmann used that exact phrase during the last debate when she criticized Perry for trying to order pre-teen girls to get the vaccine in Texas. “Little girls who have a negative reaction to this potentially dangerous drug don’t get a mulligan. They don’t get a do-over,” Bachmann said then. Bachmann has tried to distance herself from remarks she made after the debate linking the vaccine to mental retardation — a claim debunked by scientists.

            http://news.yahoo.com/fact-check-slippery-assertions-gop-debate-032527744.html

          • Bryan K says:

            Where does the GOP come up with these goofballs? The only GOP candidate worth a damn right now is Ron Paul, but he will never win the GOP nomination because he’s telling the GOP supporters something they don’t want to hear…the truth.

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