ND Legislature Votes themselves a Raise

Yup, those marvelous politicians in ND are at it again. They vote to not disclose who pays for trips they take so the people they work for (THE TAXPAYERS) don’t know which lobbyist or special interest group is paying their travel excpenses. (Wouldn’t want the common North Dakotans to see who they are in the bag for, would we.) Then they vote to cut funding for higher education which will cause an increase in tuition for college students (we don’t value education in ND). But then, Damn guys we have this big ass surplus, and we sure deserve a raise. Someone should mail them a dead skunk to show them how much it stinks!

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23 Responses to ND Legislature Votes themselves a Raise

  1. Anonymous says:

    “cut funding for higher education”

    That’s not true. They voted for less than Dalrymple had in is budget proposal. In fact, they voted for a $80 million increase in higher ed spending.

    • Avatar of Vertigo Vertigo says:

      They cut all the scholarships and all the grants. They also took 2/3 of the Native American grants away, and made it so only the best educated NA’s could get financial aid..

      • Anonymous says:

        Source?

        • Avatar of Vertigo Vertigo says:

          How does the actual budget sound for a source…

          http://legis.nd.gov/assembly/62-2011/documents/11-8155-02000.pdf

          As they say, the devil is in the details, and if you look at it, all the “increases” were put exclusively into supporting committed infrastructure projects. There were STILL catastrophic cuts, such as…

          Academic and technical education scholarships-3,000,000 (3,000,000) 0

          All scholarships were completely cut.

          Science, technology, engineering, and mathematics teacher education enhancement-
          1,500,000 (1,500,000) 0

          yes, all further teachers education advancement dollars were cut- how can we expect our teachers to better educate our children if we don’t help educate them to keep up with world knowledge?

          ALL North Dakota basic grants were cut,

          Lets talk about the Native American support in the budget, They increased the Native American scholarships by $193,000, but they totally removed all the tribally controlled grants worth $700,000… a net slash of more than $600,000 to support Natives. I hope the scholarships of the gifted few will be enough to cover the loss of their grants. Setting them up for failure if you ask me.

          “Rep. Eliot Glassheim (D-Grand Forks) opposed the amended budget, saying that the cuts from the original proposal were too large and made by people “who do not understand higher education,” its needs and goals.”

          What Glassheim said is totally true, I realize giving the most gifted Native American scholarships is a good thing, taking away the grants for all the rest of the Native Americans is going to simply send them back to the reservations and welfare.

          By hacking away at the support monies given to the poor students, they are undermining the opportunities for these people to become high income earners who will then pay higher taxes.

          If they truly want to balance budgets, they should put a moratorium on new construction, not the students education, that after all, is what these institutions exist for.

  2. Avatar of Vertigo Vertigo says:

    You know, if the legislature had an IQ point amongst them, they would realize the best way to stimulate the economy of the state is not to cut education….

    We have a financial surplus in the state because we are popping at the seams with energy. Coal, Oil, and now Wind Power is becoming overwhelming producer. We have more energy than we know what to do with!

    Lets offer the incentive of free energy for anybody who opens their production facility in North Dakota. Yes, Jobs. They can build their plant with a coal powered furnace that has an electricity generator… hell, give them a tax incentive for it… and give them a bottomless supply of free coal.

    I tell you, that would bring in exponential tax dollars vs. the loss in cheap coal, and it will provide jobs for the kids in the state, even high tech jobs for those with college degree’s.

    You can’t tell me we wouldn’t attract a TON of new industry with the carrot of free heating and electricity. The only incentive we have to offer is a well educated workforce.. To undermine the education of the kids will take away that carrot too.

  3. Accountant says:

    “they would realize the best way to stimulate the economy of the state is not to cut education…. ”

    An $80 million increase is a cut?

    • Avatar of Vertigo Vertigo says:

      Paying to maintain infrastructure committments is not an education increase, its an infrastructure increase. They wouldn’t have even paid THAT if it hadn’t been a prior financial commitment. What good is a building, or an IT network if you don’t have students to use them?

      Those institutions exist to assure we have a well educated workforce. Cutting the scholarships and grants undermines the entire purpose of the institutions and is a recipe for failure. Its like selling the wheels on the tractor to make the payments.

      • Anonymous says:

        So – you agree that higher education received an $80 million increase this year?

        • Avatar of Vertigo Vertigo says:

          No, I don’t agree. They paid out extra money to complete comitted infrastructure expenses… monies that were PROMISED from before, and slashed everything else.

          The spreadsheet when you look at the single final summary shows an increase, but when you look at the actual budgets, except for certain buildings being built they barely even covered for THOSE. They even cut the budgets that are to be used to hire people to staff those buildings. Nope, didn’t even bother to allocate money to maintain the investment.

          The entire education system is taking crippling cuts at every level to simply survive, even if they DO have 10 more buildings and a pretty computer system.

          The worst part though, is the students… You simply don’t get it do you, they are the bread and butter of the system. You can own all the farm equipment in the world, but if you don’t have enough money to buy the seed, you already lost.

          • Anonymous says:

            So we are in agreement. The higher education system in North Dakota will have $80 million dollars more than under the previous budget. That’s an increase.

          • Avatar of Vertigo Vertigo says:

            Thats like taking your child, leaving him naked but giving him a diamond studded nosering and saying he is clothed.

            As much as you claim that finishing putting up a building is an increase, its not. Minard hall collapsed and it was required to rebuild it, there was no choice, even though the money was allocated. That is not an “Increase” in education, it was putting money in a prior committed construction project.

            They butchered all the financial aid for ND students… THATS investment in education and it was NOT an increase, it was a cut.

            Go ahead and play your semantics games, but the truth is, if we don’t invest in our childrens education, they will leave the state…. oops, most have already done that.. and its this very bass ackwards mentality that drives them away.

          • Anonymous says:

            Then we agree. They increased funding for higher education by $80 million.

            BTW – your diamond nosering analogy was quite weak.

          • Avatar of Vertigo Vertigo says:

            Not nearly as weak as saying cutting all financial aid to students isn’t a cut.

  4. Student says:

    Anonymous is correct. Dalrymple’s budget called for a 22% increase in funding for the NDUS. The legislature approved a 16% increase in funding for the NDUS.

    To say that higher education funding was cut is disingenuous at the least, if not outright lying, since the legilature approved a 16% increase, well above inflation.

  5. Avatar of billybones billybones says:

    one wonders…the state has a fucking surplus, and they have to cut?…oh, but not themselves…they vote themselves a raise..and they don’t want us…their fucking employers…to know which interest group is paying for their trips?
    Huh? sounds like the bastard sons and daughters of a wisconsin republican and a tea party wingnut

  6. Avatar of billybones billybones says:

    did they cut scholarships? did they or did they not cut cunding that helps put students in the seats in the classrooms?

    • Anonymous says:

      Did they increase funding for higher education or not? Darn right they did – 16% to be exact.

    • Student says:

      Billy – please provide more information on the scholarship money, particularly the historical funding levels of that scholarship money.

  7. Avatar of billybones billybones says:

    Student…historically…don’t have that information at my fingertips, and you are as capable of doing a little research as I…but here is the cut in scholarships
    Academic and technical education scholarships: 3,000,000 (3,000,000) 0
    Tribally controlled community college grants 700,000 (700,000) 0
    Science, technology, engineering, and mathematics teacher educatione nhancement
    1,500,000 (1,500,000) 0
    Grants 100,000 (100,000) 0
    Those are all cuts in funding that assist students attending school. When the state has a surplus…why would you cut those things?

    oh yeah, so you can vote yourself a raise?

    • Student says:

      “oh yeah, so you can vote yourself a raise?”

      Huh?

      It’s quite clear that the higher ed budget was increased this year. However, if your pet program wasn’t included in that funding, I can see the position about whining about cuts. That being said, it is dishonest to say that higher ed funding was cut this year.

      The relevance of the scholarship funding history was whether it was a legacy program or a one time initiative from the last legislative session. That should be something that you should know before you cry about cuts.

    • Student says:

      “why would you cut those things?”

      Why should those things have been funded by the state in the first place?

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